House Approves Sunday Deer Hunting on Private Land; Controversial In The Past

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For years, Sunday hunting has been a highly controversial topic at the state Capitol.

On Thursday, the House of Representatives approved a very narrow version of the measure – allowing the hunting of deer on Sundays with a bow and arrow on private land.

The measure passed by 107 to 19 with 24 members absent as all 19 negative votes came from Democrats.

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State Rep. Craig Miner, a licensed bow hunter, said the controversy was reduced this year because the bill did not mention anything about guns. In addition, hikers in state forests should not be concerned because the bill covers only private land, and the hunting must take place during the normal bow-hunting season.

The hunting can only be done by licensed bow hunters, who are required to first take a course to learn how to properly use a bow and arrow.

Miner believes that word could spread about the Sunday hunting and that Connecticut could improve its reputation for hunting and fishing.

\”Connecticut may become the kind of destination that Vermont is,\’\’ said Miner, a Litchfield Republican who represents four other towns in Litchfield County.

State Rep. Linda Gentile, the co-chairwoman of the legislature\’s environment committee, says the bill makes sense because there has been growing concern about the spread of Lyme Disease from deer. Any hunter would need written permission and consent that must be carried with the hunter at all times.

Republicans unanimously joined the bipartisan effort.

\”There is a severe, severe, severe overmanagment issue,\’\’ said Rep. John Shaban, a Redding Republican who said that an overpopulation of deer is prevalent in some areas of the state.

 

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85 thoughts on “House Approves Sunday Deer Hunting on Private Land; Controversial In The Past

  1. FJK

    Great, now I can’t even take my kids hiking on Sunday in the state forest during deer hunting season.

    1. johngaltwhereru

      How does hunting with a bow and arrow on “private land” make it unsafe for you and your kids to hike in in a Public State Forest?

    2. Steve (CT)

      Clearly FJK’s reading comprehension skills were obtained in public schools.

      State forest ? private land

      1. Mtalie Jarnstedt

        I wouldn’t be too quick to make fun of people; when someone is upset, it’s easy to make a small mistake – especially when opposed to one more day of hunting, on a SUNDAY. When such a small minority of 1%, just because they happen to squeak a lot to get their wheels greased! Is it too much to ask for ONE lousy day without hunting? Can’t the tiny minority be satisfied with 6 days?

    3. Natalie Jarnstedt

      It’s on private land, not state parks – but don’t worry, if it passes the Senate, I bet they’ll want state parks, too!

  2. Gym Sprasium

    I won’t rest until I can shoot an oyster with an assault rifle on Sundays.

  3. walls

    Do you mean the hunter needs to seek out the private landowner and get permission from him/her to hunt on the private land – and the landowner must say yes?

    How is that different from the current situation? If I’m a hunter, can’t I ask a landowner if I can hunt on his/her land? What does this law do differently?

    What happens if the landowner says no? Any landowner would be foolish to grant permission … too much liability if the hunter gets injured, somebody gets shot, etc.

    1. Steve (CT)

      The difference is the state would allow it to happen on Sunday.

      It is quite common. There is no liability, the hunter is responsible for himself/herself.

  4. BobC

    Ignorance abounds! First this would not apply to state land and if you are hiking on private land you are trespassing unless you have landowner permission.
    Second, landowners who allow hunting on their land are immune from liability so long as no fees are paid by the hunter.
    Third…hunting in general and bowhunting specifically have some of the lowest accident rates of any outdoor activity.
    You are more likely to slip and fall in your bathroom.

    1. a guy

      Yes, ignorance abounds. I see hunting is listed as safer than bowling since bowling has a higher accident rate. But a bowling accident is not likely to kill you. I’d like to see what activities cause more deaths. They say tennis and golf are more dangerous. Really, Bob?

    2. Natalie Jarnstedt

      Yes, but are pets safe from bowhunters’ buck fever? Do you know how many are “mistaken” for deer – DUH!
      Just Google pets that have died, have been injured (or never retrieved)….yes, even in CT!
      Since bowhunting starts in mid-September, the weather and foliage still intact, suitable for outdoor recreation on Sundays, much more likely than on weekdays, I would caution people to avoid their backyard if their neighbors allow hunting on their property. BTW – neighbors who allow hunting are in no way required to notify neighbors.

  5. BobC

    You can check the stats yourself…accidental injury, not deaths.
    Even then it is on average 100 annually…safer than 99 other activities.
    Latest figures are from 2009.

    1. a guy

      Yeah, I saw the stats. You people are ridiculous. Your definition of “safer” is contrived. Of course you want to look at injuries because you would lose bigtime if you looked at deaths. When was the last time someone died in a bowling accident? They probably twist their ankles a lot. Wow. Hunting accident often end at the morgue. Safer my ass.

      1. Steve (CT)

        In your world, are all activities that might lead to death banned? You would support banning rock climbing, white water rafting, scuba diving, etc?

        Pretty pathetic.

        1. Natalie Jarnstedt

          To Steve (CT) – no, not all activities, only ones that can cause death/injury to others who don’t participate. if you want to take personal risks with deadly weapons, that’s your choice, but when it can affect others, I’d say I have a good reason to protest and not be crazy about it.

      2. Natalie Jarnstedt

        A Westport outdoor columnist once wrote that taking a bath or shower was more likely to cause accidents than during hunting. Wow, how’s that for a logical comparison? I would safely guess that many more people (99%) than the 1% of hunters in Ct take a bath/shower, including, I hope, the hunters.

  6. BobC

    Sorry…99 other causes.
    If you don’t hunt, then you are speaking from a position of ignorance. I have been hunting for 42 years, bowhunting and firearms. I have never had an accident or injury in that time. The statistics show that is typical of most hunters.

    1. a guy

      The free insurance you get from the NRA covers only 2 things. One is payment covering cost of a stolen gun. The second is payment to your family if you, the gun owner, die from a gun. Nobody else is covered, nothing else is covered, and this free insurance it is not liability insurance. Nice hobby, eh, where the major enthusiast group covers you for your own death while engaged in the hobby. I guess they figure death insurance is the one insurance every gun owner needs the most.

    2. Natalie Jarnstedt

      Lucky for you, but not so lucky for the deer. Statistics kept by wildlife agencies and universities prove that there’s more than 50% wounding rate of deer. Of course, hunters, unlike fishermen, never always brag about the “one that got away”.

    3. Greer

      Your last name wouldn’t just happen to be CROOK, would it?
      I hate to tell ya, Bob, but most non-hunters are more versed in wildlife biology and deer reproduction than many hunters.
      Don’t tell me that you, who have hunted for so many years, and still claim that hunting will lower deer numbers, and cling to insisting that hunting actually does that?

      If so, either you’re ignorant, or pretend to be.

  7. Bill Marcarelli

    I hunt and hike. I avoid hiking for safety reasons on any day in a hunting area that is open for hunting. I don’t think the need for Sunday Bow hunting on private land has a priority over letting hikers have one day of projectile free hiking during the hunting season. We can share. Hunters get six days during the hunting season; hikers should get their one hunting free day during hunting season.

    1. Steve (CT)

      Are you admitting to hiking on private land? I’m sure the property owners might like to know this.

    2. Greer

      How about deer getting just one day on which they won’t get injured, maimed or die??
      Sunday, a day of rest and Church going?
      Any Christian hunters out there who might just think it a bit wrong?

      1. Steve (CT)

        Sure Greer, as soon as the deer write & distribute their own bible.

        Stop anthropomorphizing animals, they don’t recognize days or the week or days of rest. In a more natural environment (ie not the CT suburbs) deer would stalked by predators every day of their lives.

        It is only due to humans removing all other predators that has allowed deer to breed to populations that actually damage the environment. Humans need to control the problem by culling some of the deer as would happen naturally.

        Would you watch a video of a pack of wolves bringing down a deer & think “ah, circle of life” while when a human hunts a deer & its a horrible crime?

        1. Greer

          Now that was a really dumb remark, Steve (CT) about animals not knowing days of the week ( I also know some people who don’t know that) – you coulda knocked me over with a feather, really? What all beings experience, whether human or animal (which we all are, technically) is the difference between not being chased/maimed/killed and just left alone to exist.
          It seems that you are making a very valid point against hunting in suburban CT on private property, by saying that because of danger to humans, predators have been “removed”, but it’s not for the reason you state: As soon as any predators appear, they are practically eradicated so as not to compete with hunters for what they wrongly and arrogantly believe to be theirs to “take”, another stupid euphemism for killing.
          What does having seen or not seen videos have to do with anything? You’re really stretching your inane defense of hunting. Yes, I have seen videos of the wildlife food chain, it’s Mother Nature. There’s nothing natural about hunters killing with sophisticated weapons, and believing that they are natural predators – they are not. Animals kill to survive, today’s hunters kill for recreation and trophies. They might donate the meat to soup kitchens, mostly because they’re afraid to eat it themselves (how altruistic is that?)
          BTW – in case you haven’t heard of the Deer Management Act of 1974, that is the reason for the number of deer there are in CT today – it has a lot to do with the current deer population.

  8. BobC

    Sorry, a guy…I am not currently a member of the NRA…I prefer to join local and state groups where I can have the most impact on my sports. I teach outdoor education courses, including hunter safety.

  9. susan

    Those evil wicked guns. Now that we banned assault weapons, we need to start gathering up all those other types so CT is a gun free state.

    1. The Conn-servative

      Billy Did you go into the womens bathroom, changes your clothes,and put on some makeup?
      Thank God that bathroom gender bill past 2 years ago.

    2. bill

      Susan, but I’ll bet you are not even female. Just boring. Conn-serv seems to have taken an interest in you.

  10. Barbara

    State Rep. Linda Gentile NEEDS TO LEARN…
    Dr. Rick Ostfeld, an ecologist in Millbrook, N.Y., said that a reduction in biodiversity limits other animals that the ticks may feed on. Therefore, if we kill off other wildlife such as deer or foxes, the ticks will then feed mostly on mice, increasing their chances to become infected with Borrelia. Also cases of Lyme increase when there are no deer to attract the ticks and the ticks therefore land on people.
    Deer do not infect ticks. Mice do.
    The Lyme disease organism (Borrelia burgdorferi) is vectored principally by a hard tick, Ixodes dammini, which is commonly found on the Deer Mouse, (Peromyscus maniculatus). This is most likely how the name “deer” tick began.
    Mice have three principal requirements to inhabit an area: variety of food, nearby water, and ground cover, which is extremely important for protection, whereas open space is dangerous. This is precisely why areas with thick ground cover (more than ankle-deep) averaged 23 times the tick populations of areas with sparse or low-lying vegetation.
    So, without the deer eating the ground cover, there will be many more ticks for those concerned about Lyme disease.
    Factors for acquiring Lyme disease include: participating in brush clearing activities from June through August, and the presence of birdfeeders, woods or rock walls on residential property. Mice and ticks find themselves at home in lawns and hedges and often hide in plants such as pachysandra.
    The disease moves into suburban backyards in part because the infected ticks are on creatures attracted to birdfeeders. Ticks are found on at least 49 bird species, and at least 30 species of mammal.
    Ticks do not jump, fly, or drop from trees. You must come into direct contact with them by brushing against something that has a tick on it.

  11. Schweitzer

    Hunting (trying to hurt and kill animals) is fun? Shouldn’t this bother one’s conscience? Wouldn’t it be better to be kind to other creatures on Sundays (and other days too)?

  12. kathy p

    Hunters do not need another day to kill animals. What about all of us who enjoy walking in the woods, attending church out in the country, and enjoying the outdoors on Sunday? I can’t even enjoy a walk at a local track, as I hear hunters shooting, and this does not make for a peaceful time. So now Sunday’s are out of the question. I wonder if all these hunters go to church on Sunday, and pray for a kill. They are making a mockery of God.

  13. Barbara

    I believe that killing animals for “recreation” is contrary to the ethics of a civilized society. Why do people have to deal with hunting on Sundays, too???

    Honestly, killing is ANIMAL CRUELTY. And bow hunting is the most cruel hunting there is.

    I know lots of hunters who were smart enough to realize that killing is animal cruelty and they started to shoot animals with a camera instead of a gun or bow.

    Killing wildlife that can’t fight back is nothing to brag about. Many hunters have stopped hunting after finally realizing how disgusting it is. I have deep respect for them.

    Several years ago, my daughter

    heard men’s voices on her property at 6 AM one morning.

    That concerned her, so she went outside to investigate. An arrow

    landed at her feet! She still has the arrow and is very unhappy

    about hunting in that area. The arrow could easily have landed in

    her neck!

    Also, several universities have done studies to prove that hunting

    serves to increase the herd. Other universities have proven that deer
    herds stabilize if left alone.

    1. Sam Grisham

      Barbara, unfortunately we flatter ourselves, believing that we are indeed a civilized society – we are NOT!
      CT DEEP considers hunting deer as big business; what they practice is not wildlife management, it is game management – preferring one species over another and managing appropriately by getting rid of any predators that may endanger fawns and deer, clear cutting, food plots, etc. If people only knew to what lengths they go to ensure plenty of easy hunting for hunters who are getting increasingly lazy, expecting deer to be virtually served on a silver platter…no wonder their numbers are going down, down, down. I remember the number of hunters in the early 90′s being 2.7% in CT….Yet, their influence is still strong, overpowering nature lovers who are the real money spenders in CT, as I cited previously.

  14. BobC

    Sorry Greer …I’m not that Bob C…so I never made claims about deer numbers. I know enough about deer biology to manage the deer that live on my property. I know how many are present, where they bed, where they feed, and have just monitored the first fawn of the season. I have thousands of digital pictures of not only deer, but fox, raccoon, opposum, fisher cats and even an occasional bear. I have trails that my children ride on, and my neighbors hike on with my permission.
    With this new law I will be able to hunt 2 days a week this next bow season which runs from mid September to December 31. That’s a total of 31 days I can hunt because I can’t hunt during the week…I do need to work. The other 9 months of the year when hunting is closed, I enjoy photographing the abundant and diverse wildlife on my managed private property.

    Now tell me, Greer, what do you do to promote nature?

    1. Natalie Jarnstedt

      Bob C – YOU “manage” the deer on your property, seriously? Sorry, old man, but that is not your job, it is that of the DEEP wildlife division, they are the ones who set bag limits, etc. – not YOU! Apparently ignorance runs wild!

    2. Greer

      Bob asks what I do to promote nature…well, if I saw any prof of what Bob does to promote nature other than kill deer, I’ll be glad to let him know.
      Is anyone else interested in how Bob promotes nature? Gee, I bet you’re all waiting with baited breath……

    3. Sam Grisham

      Bob C – if you manage deer on your property, you are breaking the law!
      The deer on your property do NOT belong to you! I know that the state will claim that wildlife belongs to them, but, in fact, all wildlife is held in public trust for everyone, according to the Supreme Court.

  15. GN

    State Rep. Linda Gentile, co-chairwoman of the legislature’s environment committee, justification that Sunday hunting will reduce Lyme Disease is totally incorrect. Two of the leading Lyme disease experts, Richard Ostfeld, PhD, Senior Scientist, the Cary Institute of Ecosystem Studies Author of Lyme Disease: The Ecology of a Complex System (2010, Oxford Univ. Press) and Tamara Awerbuch, PhD Instructor, Department of Population and International Health Harvard School of Public Health, emphatically refute the notion that killing deer will reduce lyme disease rates. It’s disturbing that Ms. Gentile, the co-chairwoman of the environmental committee, doesn’t appear to understand the science of Lyme disease.

    In addition, Rep. John Shaban’s belief that Sunday hunting will reduce the “over population” of deer again is based on a total misunderstanding of deer reproductive science. Recreational bow-hunting will have no long-term reduction of the deer population, but will actually trigger compensatory reproduction, that will increase the deer population.

    There is strong evidence that hunting actually increases car-deer collisions. According to the National Highway Traffic and Safety Administration, most car-deer collisions happen during hunting season. The Erie Insurance Group, Pennsylvania’s second largest auto insurer, studied the effect that hunting has on car-deer collision. They discovered that not only did accidents increase during hunting season, but that they increased nearly five-fold on the first day of buck and doe hunting seasons respectively, and remained high during hunting season. This increase is caused by hunters pushing deer out their habitat and into the roads, and panicked wounded deer running into the roads. As a result, Sunday hunting will increase car-deer collisions.

    The claim that bow-hunting won’t be a serious safety threat to hikers, outdoor enthusiasts, walkers, kids playing, and companion animals is totally false. There is no minimum acreage required for bow-hunting, and no required safety buffer zone to protect CT residents. In addition, there is no regulation that require private property owners to give notice to their neighbors or others that hunting is taking place on their property. As a result, anyone standing, walking, walking their dog, or kids playing in close proximity to where this hunting is happening, i.e. next to your home and back yard, poses a serious safety threat to families, children, and companion animals.

    In addition, all of these hunters that State Rep. Craig Miner in hoping to attract to hunt in CT on Sundays are not going to be familiar with the private property lines where they are hunting, and will pose a serious safety threat to CT families and children. Furthermore, there are going to be thousands of cases of trespassing that can’t be policed, and this will also threaten the safety of CT families and children.

    Twenty- two published scientific surveys and studies indicate that the average wounding rate for bow hunting is over 50 percent. More than one out of every two deer shot is never retrieved. These wounded deer are subjected to great misery before death. Wounded deer run out into roads causing accidents, and die in residents backyards traumatizing families and their children. If being exposed to this inhumanity and animal cruelty isn’t bad enough six days out of the week, subjecting residents to this animal suffering on Sundays, the day that most Christian families set aside for worship and reflection on the special solicitude that Jesus exhibited towards the poor, weak, and vulnerable, and His teachings of peace, love, and compassion, is an affront to their Christian values.

    1. Annie O.

      GN, you got that right!
      My daughters and I were doing some gardening last year on a Saturday at the end of September, when a deer with an arrow through the shoulder ran right at us. We didn’t even know that there was any hunting in our neighborhood – after asking around, it turned out that a couple 3 houses down from ours had two bow hunters sitting up in the trees (we found out from their immediate neighbors).
      My kids were traumatized because they heard the horrible sounds coming from the deer, it sounded almost like a deep, low bark…the poor thing continued stumbling, with the shaft of the arrow getting caught in the underbrush….it was painful to just watch it.
      How can anyone get pleasure from doing this to a living creature…all I can think of is having my camera ready, but hunters want to see everything dead…why is that?
      I don’t want Sunday hunting because I would love to have just one day a week where I wouldn’t be exposed to anything like that, ever again. Once was enough! When September comes, I dread using our backyard all week, always looking forward to Sunday – but if this bill also passes in the Senate, we will be prisoners in our own home.

  16. Sam Grisham

    Only 1% of Connecticut residents hunt. Wildlife watchers, hikers, mountain bikers, dog walkers, and horseback riders outnumber hunters in Connecticut by 29 to 1, and represent a growing demographic, while hunters are shrinking in numbers (39% decrease over ten years, per latest USFWS survey). Further, wildlife watchers outspend hunters by 7.4 to 1, contributing around $510 million dollars to our state’s economy annually (Source: The United States Fish and Wildlife Service). The overwhelming majority of people do not participate in hunting, and have only one day a week during hunting season when they can use the outdoors safely without the threat of bullets or arrows. Bowhunters already have four and a half months to hunt deer each year in Connecticut; that’s more than 100 days of recreational deer hunting at six days per week.
    What do non-hunters contribute to the state? isn’t it obvious?

    1. Natalie Jarnstedt

      Thank you Sam Grisham, well said!
      Hunters always kvetch about contributing so, so much to the state economy, always denigrating us, the 99%, accusing us of not contributing anything at all.
      Legislators in the House who voted for Sunday hunting are not reflecting the views of the majority of their constituents; they are greasing the very noisy and squeaky wheel of the obviously well organized, one issue, “one percenters”. I hope that this bill will be more seriously discussed before a vote in the Senate, based on constituents real views, not just the noisy, pushy, and rude ones!
      So, hold your horses everyone who’s already champing at their bits to hunt on Sundays – it ain’t over til the fat lady sings!

  17. SG

    So, this so-called “public servant,” Miner, thinks that CT could improve its reputation for hunting/fishing. Indeed it could—by banning them. To become a “destination” for the causing of suffering and death to animals, for the sake of recreation, is not an honor, but a blot, on the reputation of a state. As wildlife authorities know—and count on—hunting and its related, destructive actions (such as habitat manipulation, to increase the number of living targets, to the detriment of all resident species), increases deer numbers, which rebound to higher than they were before the hunt. Hunting also dramatically increases deer-car collisions, while weakening the gene pool of the target species (by removing the largest, healthiest animals).

  18. CT's Shame

    The fact that all 19 negative votes came from Dems, increases my hatred for the heartless policies of RepuGlicans. Shame on them.

  19. Pythagoras

    When politicians manipulate or ignore data (hell, they out and out lie), for political expediency and at the behest of the tiny (and ever-shrinking) percentage of Americans who hunt, the damage is incalculable. These craven politics hasten the further deadening of compassion, leading to more societal violence.

  20. Oppose Sunday Murder

    Isn’t torturing and killing animals, and destroying families, enough 6 days/week? Will the sociopaths who enjoy this sickness do it before or after church, I wonder.

  21. Hunters are dickless cowards

    Bow hunters belong in prison or mental hospitals, not in elected office.

  22. Sissies kill animals

    Gentile needs to learn her facts. Hunting does NOT lessen the incidence of Lyme and can actually increase it, as the ticks will seek other mammals, including humans. I was a victim of chronic Lyme. How dare this pathetic excuse for a public servant promotes killing in my name.

  23. BobC

    Natalie — I do what I do because I can. Legally. The DEEP sets limits based on management practice and I abide by those.
    Greer—you won’t see any evidence of what I do unless you come to my property. Don’t hold your breath for an invitation.

    Lovely to see all the tolerance and compassion from the left side of aisle.

    1. Natalie Jarnstedt

      Sorry Bob, but you might want to read your post on how YOU manage your own deer on your property, here it is: ” I know enough about deer biology to manage the deer that live on my property.”
      So, which is it? Your own managing or the DEEPs…..
      Once you have put something down for public viewing, you can’t have it both ways.

  24. BobC

    Sam—so based on your logic, we shouldn’t take into account the issues raised by gays…after all, they are only 1.7% of the population.

    The idea that an opinion is only valid if it aligns with your own is called bigotry.

    1. Sam Grisham

      You know, Bob C, I wish I could understand your thought process, but alas, I don’t!
      You seem to be grasping at straws trying to come up with some strange logic, which escapes me – thankfully!
      Hope you have a wonderful weekend – don’t think too much, though!

      1. Johngaltwhereru

        Sam,

        Bob’s argument is crystal clear to me.

        You posted that hunters are a small minority who are greatly outnumbered by a growing demographic of bikers, hikers, ect.

        Your post seemed to infer that the desires of larger group should trump those of the hunters.

        Bob pointed out that there is absolutely no difference between your thought process, and those who would deny the tiny minority of gays a voice due to the majority of straight people disagreeing with the gay perspective.

        1. Sam

          To Johngaltwhereru – You are correct, WOW!
          Yes, I do indeed believe that shoving a 7th day of hunting down the throats of the majority who oppose it is anti-democratic!
          Bringing gays into the discussion trumps all logic!

          1. Johngaltwhereru

            Sam,

            Gays have little to do with this statement. Any minority group would work.

            America is not a democracy. If America was a democracy, Obamacare, Stimulus and any number of things passed in the last 5 years would not be law. America is Representative Republic. Those who have been elected to represent the residents of CT obviously either don’t believe your statement that the majority opposes this legislation, or are confident they don’t care enough for it to effect their vote.

  25. Rhona

    BobC, it is ridiculous to compare gays to hunters (based on their low percentage of the total population). When 100% of gays kill others, then their opinions with be as worth ignoring as are those of hunters’.

    1. Greer

      Dear, dear Bob C.
      Just because there are ethical human beings who believe it to be wrong to kill animals, especially for recreation, there’s no need suggesting a disconnect about equating animals with humans – there’s no need to do that, since we are ALL part of the animal kingdom.
      Since you claim to know so much about deer biology, I assume you also know a thing or two about general biology……

  26. hansa gruber

    This is a dream thread for those who study sociopaths. Seriously, Bob et al – you “enjoy” wildlife by stalking and impaling it? Lordie, how do you “enjoy” your family (assuming you have one?) Of course, maybe y’all can stalk and impale and follow those lovely blood trails all together as a family on Sundays. Don’t give me the food on the table bit – a tape measure would prove that you do just fine. Adding Sunday wildlife torture is a huge step backwards for this state. It all comes down to the intellectual and psychological make-up of individuals. A quick run through this thread would make for a great profile training tool. Empathy, enjoying nature without blood lust is a possibility for some folks. Others, well, either “tradition” or genetics does not allow them to enjoy themselves without inflicting suffering on the defenseless and enjoying the hands on Sunday thrill of bloody gut gore. You know who you are – you are the ones who are saying right now: “I got me killin’ rights. That IS what I want to do. My Pappy dun it and so dun my Grandpappy and my woman likes it, too. I gots me 2nd amenmunt rights from them founding father guys to kill what I want on four legs or with wings on Sunday. You ain’t takin’ my rights.” P.S. The educated sociopaths fall on the Lyme Disease myth which has the credibility of Grimm’s Fairy Tales – but, it makes them sound a bit smarter than the 2nd amendment bunch who kill critters for their adrenalin rush (sociopaths with degrees: read the latest Forbes article on psychopathy and leadership.) Bottom line: the weapons industry makes its billions off miscreants. There are already enough weapons for home protection. That market is saturated. Now we need to expand the market to everything on four legs. Politicians don’t care where their cash comes from – they are already held in the lowest possible social esteem by the public. Sadly, that might also apply to East Coast Conn. politicians as well now. Let’s see if some smart, ethical politicians still exist in Connecticut.

    1. Sam Grisham

      May I also add that there are no “ethical hunters”, as they desperately try to separate themselves from some not-so-ethical ones who are often highlighted in the media.

  27. BobC

    Sam—what I consider ethical obviously is different from your definition. In fact, you will be hard pressed to find a standard set of ethical standards which all people can agree.
    I can tell you what ethics is not:

    Ethics is not religion.
    Ethics is not necessarily what is legal.
    Ethics is not societL norms.
    Ethics is not your feelings.

    I can tell you that what you might consider ethical, I might find highly objectionable, and, obviously, vice versa.

  28. Lakota05

    I am astounded and outraged that our legislatures think it OK to allow the use of weapons in our neighborhoods. Have you completely lost your mind – not to mention your moral compass? Has CT not had enough heartbreak and loss of life from the use of lethal weapons where they don’t belong. Your vote and lack of regard for the safety of my family and companion animals. will be remembered when I cast mine!!

    1. Johngaltwhereru

      Neighborhoods?

      This is a prime example of why people who have no idea what they are talking about should not be involved in any legislative process.

      1. Kermit

        I have just read the article and comments.
        What exactly is your question about neighborhoods?
        Who, other than legislators are involved in the legislative process?
        I am stymied.

        1. Johngaltwhereru

          Kermit,

          Lakoda05 was lamenting that the CT Legislature thinks it is OK to hunt in neighborhoods.

          People don’t hunt in neighborhoods.

          But, should some hunter decide he wishes to begin shooting deer off the back porch of his 1/4 acre lot surrounded by other houses, if it makes you and Lakoda feel any better, there is a CT hunting regulation that prohibits firing a gun within range of a building, which automatically excludes hunting in neighborhoods.

          1. Johngaltwhereru

            Oh, and activist and lobbyist, many of whom have no idea what they are talking about are involved in the Legislative Process.

          2. Kermit

            What? People don’t hunt in neighborhoods? Do you know anything about hunting laws and regs?
            Lakota05 is absolutely correct – yes, hunting on private property does mean hunting with lethal weapons in “neighborhoods”!
            If a bow and arrowe weren’t lethal, it wouldn’t be used to kill deer, would it?
            Bowhunting in CT: No setback requirement, no minimum acreage requirement – do you know what that means? Forget your imaginary 1/4 acre, it can be done on even smaller properties!
            Bowhunting from mid-September until Jan.31, 6 days a week (right now), can occur on the smallest sized back or even front yards! If that’s not a “neighborhood”, I don’t know what is.
            Since we are addressing bowhunting on Sundays in this particular bill, yes, it happens in “neighborhoods” already.
            There are restrictions, setbacks & acreage requirements for firearms (shotguns, rifles, muzzleloaders)…..

          3. Johngaltwhereru

            http://www.ct.gov/deep/cwp/view.asp?a=2700&q=514450&deepNav_GID=1633#BOWS

            Under the Hunting General section, do yo see where it says “Shooting Toward any person, building or domestic animal When within range is prohibited.”?

            It doesn’t say firing a gun, it says shooting in the general hunting provisions. That includes any weapon.The opening statement specifies that the general hunting provisions apply to bow hunting.

            So go ahead and make your emotion based fact-free arguments.I will provide inarguable facts. The CT State Hunting Regulations clearly state you cannot fire a bow and arrow towards a building that is in range of that arrow. Unless you are redefining neighborhood, you are wrong.

            And even if you do redefine neighborhood, it is still illegal to hunt on private property without permission, so if you get shot with an arrow, you are likely trespassing.

  29. Schweitzer

    Bob C:

    There is a venerable guide to ethics that most of us understand as children, namely The Golden Rule, “Do not do unto others what you would not want done to you.” Yes, I know it is stated in positive and negative forms. And yes, some will ignore this moral compass (and others) because it suits them. All physicians promise PRIMUM NON NOCERE, first do no harm. Thank goodness, most try to keep that promise.

  30. BobC

    Schwietz—exactly…I don’t trespass, hunt out of season, hike without a brain in my head, or demand that others adhere to my code of ethics. I live on a family property that was 200+ acres in the 1700s and is now down to 92. Some of my neighbors have been the same families for 100 years. Needless to say, we treat each other well. Most of us hunt and occasionally share when one family has a short harvest. This is obviously not how most people in Connecticut live today, but was once the common experience throughout the state. So you will excuse menif I continue to live my bucolic life, raise my children as my ancestors have done for over 200 years…raising and killing my own meat, growing my own vegetables and enjoying the quiet serenity that is mine and will be my children’s.

    I’ll leave you to your hustle and bustle and indignation over my personal choices…just don’t venture to close to the farms in NW CT…

  31. GN

    The issue here is Sunday hunting. The 99% non-hunters would like to have ONE day out of the week where they don’t have to worry about the danger of hunters with lethal weapons threatening their families, children, and companion animals.

    In CT there is no minimum acreage required for bow-hunting, and no required safety buffer zone to protect CT residents. So your neighbor in a densely populated suburban neighborhood can hunt in his back yard or even off his back porch, and he doesn’t even have to notify his neighbors or anyone walking their dog past his property. Your neighbor can also allow out of state strangers hunt in his back yard. This is a serious safety threat to families, children, and companion animals.

    CT residents should be allow to let their kids out to play one day a week without worrying about hunters in their neighbor’s backyard or in their neighborhood.

    In addition, many CT citizens oppose Sunday hunting because it’s a day of worship and they don’t want to be exposed to wounded deer dying in their back yards when they come home from church.

    1. Kermit

      Yes, anyone can use a search engine to get info – however, it’s also important to understand what’s in it.
      You may have noticed (or not), had you read the link you posted, that there are absolutely NO RESTRICTIONS listed under the “Bowhunting” category, other than the legality and requirements for equipment.
      The restrictions you mentioned apply ONLY to firearms.

  32. Johngaltwhereru

    Sorry, first link was used to dispel other uninformed misinformation and is unrelated to this story.

  33. SueB

    My neighbors hunting or allowing others to hunt on their land near my property IS a big deal for me and my family, especially on a day that should be regarded for worship or rest. Hunters already have 6 days out of the week. Leave the seventh to those that do NOT enjoy killing animals, having someone trespass their property tracking for a wounded animal or having their kids watch an animal die. Enough is enough!

  34. Greer

    For those who claim that bowhunting is so safe because there are no recorded accidents (maybe we just don’t hear about them?) Clearly, accidents do happen, and when lethal weapons are involved, what else could one expect?
    Here is a video/news story from last summer near St. Louis. Keep in mind that this arrow traveled over 300 feet (the length of a football field), crashed through a double pane window and lodged in this visiting great-grandmother’s face. The very experienced “archer” was a member of the military who was target practicing. Whether hunting or “just target practicing”, it is unsafe to release arrows in a residential neighborhood, where bowhunting is perfectly legal with no minimum acreage and setback requirements. It can only be imagined that had this been a razor-tipped hunting arrow, the outcome could have been much worse.
    http://www.ksdk.com/video/1081047028001/0/Great-grandmother-shot-in-the-face-with-an-arrow

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