A ‘Civil’ Meeting Between Governors Perry And Malloy

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The word to describe Texas Gov. Rick Perry’s visit to Connecticut Monday is civility.

By all accounts, in Perry’s meetings with firearms manufacturers and others, he offered few if any details about what Texas might give them. On the same day, South Dakota Gov. Dennis Daugaard was in town on a much lower-key visit to meet with many of the same people.

Texas Gov. Rick Perry is greeted by Connecticut Gov. Dannel P. Malloy in this photo, tweeted by Malloy's Communications Director, Andrew Doba.

Texas Gov. Rick Perry is greeted by Connecticut Gov. Dannel P. Malloy at Max Downtown. (From Twitter: Andrew Doba, Malloy’s Communications Director)

At Max Downtown, where Perry had meetings and hosted a reception, he was surprised by a visit from Gov. Dannel P. Malloy.

“I wanted to welcome him to our state,” Malloy said. “We wanted to show him what good Yankee hospitality is all about.”

“I hope I’ve been civil,” Perry said. “To make the effort is a great show of hospitality.”

Both Malloy and Perry referred to the handshake as just a bit of civility among fierce competitors.

“I hope we can shake hands, realize that we’re just competitors,” said Perry.

The Texas reforms that make that state among the friendliest for business go back more than a decade. “You’re going to be most comfortable in a place where you get to keep more of what you work for,” Perry said.

When I asked about if those reforms — in some cases a loosening of regulations — also contribute to situations like the fertilizer plant explosion in West, Texas: “Until we get to the bottom of that investigation, I think it’s a bit premature.”

On a tour of Colt’s Manufacturing earlier in the day, Perry shot a half dozen pistols and rifles for about 15 minutes.

“He’s a good shot and he knows how to handle firearms,” said Bill Taggert, the Colt executive charged with gathering information from various states about economic development. “He knew our products.”

Since Connecticut officials started considering a ban, Colt’s has said it would look at all of its options. On Monday, Taggert said, those options include picking up and moving the entire company to another state.  Other actions could also include expansion elsewhere, staying where they are, or moving to a different location in Connecticut.

Asked whether Colt’s search is more than the usual business practice, Taggert said, “I do think that the actions by the legislature put a little spark into it.”

Taggert and other gun manufacturers have said repeatedly that just feeling welcome and wanted by a governor is a strong incentive.

I asked him if he feels wanted by Malloy, who has said that manufacturers should have no reason to leave despite the ban on some semi-automatic weapons.

Taggert’s response: stone silence.

Daugaard said he did not see Malloy Monday either, adding “I’m not here to see him.”

Lacking any metropolitan area, South Dakota has a tougher challenge attracting people and companies from Connecticut.

“South Dakota is a very good environment for manufacturers, Daugaard said. “As the national manufacturing base has declined over the last few years, South Dakota’s has grown. Our worker productivity is very high.”

While Perry stuck to niceties, Daugaard had some criticism for Connecticut. “I think they over promised and underfunded their pension fund.” Instead, adding that South Dakota has no debt.

South Dakota Gov. Dennis Daugaard arrives at Stag Arms in New Britain. (Wes Duplantier)

There is a cluster of gun manufacturers in South Dakota, near the Black Hills and Dauggard said his state was the first in the nation to protect gun manufacturers from law suits by consumers.

As for the state’s lack of any metro area, he said. “It depends upon what people are interested in finding. I personally rather would not live in a metro area.”

And what about the $1 million advertising campaign Texas launched to lure jobs from the northeast?

Comparing South Dakota to Texas, he said, the states are traditionally one and two for being business-friendly, but the South Dakota governor took a shot at Texas: “Texas is a big sate with more money than South Dakota and it can afford to spend money that may or may not be effective.”

Later today, Perry will give remarks at the Civility in America Speaker Series at Ferguson Library in Stamford, where the Texas governor will also take questions from the public.

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75 thoughts on “A ‘Civil’ Meeting Between Governors Perry And Malloy

  1. America Is Dying

    United We Stand, Divided We Fall! Is America United or Divided at this point in time?

    1. Kaptain Kangaroo

      Are speaking here about Governor Oops – you know, that fool from Texas who couldn’t even remember which Department he wanted to eliminate?

      Is this the same governor that lounged at the club with the name including the “N” word?

      You…

      1. Mr. Green Jeans

        Guess so. He’s the “fool” who is cleaning the clock of Governor Dan the gimmedat/union/illegal alien man.

        You may be quick with a witty post but you couldn’t be a pimple on Governor Perry’s ass.

        Watch and learn as states like Texas flush the putrid log that is Connecticut’s economy down the toilet.

    1. John B

      Maybe you should “high tail it out of CT”
      How many jobs did you create?
      Have a nice day.

    2. Connecticut is Cirling the Drain

      Attaboy Yogi. That kind of libtardian arrogance will have companies leaving in droves.

      You really aren’t smarter than the average bear, are you?

      1. Joel

        They have been leaving in droves, for decades. That’s the problem, few jobs and a aging populace.

          1. george

            We lost a congressional district in 2000 because other states grew more than we did, moron.

            We did not lose any in 2010.

        1. george

          Leaving CT in droves? Nope. Not true. Connecticut population has been increasing per US census:

          3,287,116 – 1990

          3,405,565 – 2000

          3,574,097 – 2010

          3,586,717- 2011

          3,590,347 – 2012

          1. ObserverCT

            Population has been growing, manufacturing jobs have been decreasing. I could only find a OLR report from 2004, but I am sure I have seen more current data that shows the trend continues, but I cannot find it. Modern manufacturing jobs can be very good and it is a shame to lose them.
            http://www.cga.ct.gov/2004/rpt/2004-R-0565.htm

    3. ObserverCT

      Yogi Bear seems to agree with Malloy on this one.

      So am I reading this wrong? Malloy crashes the party to “welcome Perry to the state”? After what Malloy has said about Perry that is about as genuine “I can’t believe it’s not Butter”. As for Yankee Hospitality, if he showed the same hospitality to Perry as to others it includes some name calling. Malloy has called Gov. Perry’s visit “Rick Perry Road Show to Run for President of the United States”. From reading about Malloy’s behavior and words, it is clear that Malloy has created a real opportunity for Gov. Perry to get businesses to leave CT.

  2. Yogi Bear

    And while I am in a good mood, I may as well drive over to Cedar Hill Cemetery and spit on the grave of Samuel Colt.

      1. george

        Story does NOT say he has the largest contingent of guards. It says:

        “Records show Malloy’s officers have earned more each year in overtime than did security details assigned to protect both the previous governor and lieutenant governor combined. The State Police only keep records dating back seven years.”

        They have earned more money. Does not say how many guards were used for former governors. Does not say Malloy uses more guards.

  3. Gun Owner

    Malloy and the others who voted these new gun restrictions into place are severly arrogant and ignorant. Once again, I challenge anybody, from any walk of life, to prove without any doubt, the last time they saw a gun harm someone by itself. Can you? Banning guns is not the answer. Correcting our broken Health care system (and NOT with Obamacare) is.

    1. KS

      how does that nose ring that the nra installed fit? they sure are leading you around pretty well with it. last i heard, guns are not banned. it would be nice if background checks were performed at all gun show events but the nra made sure that won’t happen so now criminals have a clear and easy path to gun ownership. as far as healthcare, what would you do other than what you baggers do best which is whine, complain, obstruct, resist and repeat? try looking beyond the limits of your doublewide and not believe everything that mt rushmore makes up.

      1. Yogi Bear

        I’ll drink to that. All ten of the old CT conservative farts have nothing better to do but to post here.

        Well whoop di do.

        Free entertainment.

    2. fred

      There was that little boy in Massachusetts who was shooting a machine gun. The gun turned and put a bullet in his brain. The gun was free of the boy’s control when it shot him.

  4. BigPoppa

    “When I asked about if those reforms — in some cases a loosening of regulations — also contribute to situations like the fertilizer plant explosion in West, Texas”

    What an asinine question!
    Any number of incidents in Connecticut could be asked about as well. Maybe even more than Texas, considering the problems in Connecticut relative to it size.

      1. Sharpshooter

        anyone remember the gas plant expolosion in Middletown…oh…that was just a mistake and clearly not in the realm of West, Tx…

        1. Jamie M

          Great point, sharpshooter. I wonder if uber liberal Wesleyan grad Dan Haar is going to suggest that the state government was responsible for the explosion in Middletown. Yes, Mr Haar really had Gov Perry on the ropes with that uppercut to the jaw! And of course our phony loser governor could not resist showing up where he was uninvited, claiming to be hospitable when he has said Perry is just running for President.

          When the unfunded liabilities to public iniomized employees bring down the Ponzi scheme that is our economy, I wonder what the likes of Mr Haar and George here will be. That it was the Tea Party’s fault?

  5. walls

    Wow – South Dakota has NO DEBT! Malloy can only dream … but then again, libtards think high debt is good!

    1. KS

      so why aren’t you hightailing it out there? you could probably make a pretty good living digging ditches.

      1. Liberals are liars

        If Obummer and Malloy had not killed the Real Estate market you morons would lose another congressional district in this train wreck of a state.

        1. george

          Governor Malloy was sworn in Jan 2011 long after real estate crash. George W. Bush was in office in 2008 when the economy crashed.

      1. ObserverCT

        The article clearly attributes Gov. Daugaard as saying “South Dakota has no debt.” George makes a good point that SD has debt. I would hope that the quote was clipped and it was with regard to a specific category of debt, such as pension debt, but I am just guessing. I did find that SD was ranked very highly by Barrons, and that CT was very low for financial fitness. CT is clearly at a disadvantage.
        http://online.barrons.com/article/SB50001424053111904881404577603301566976464.html#articleTabs_article%3D1

      2. Yogi Bear

        Oh, let us not relegate the mentally disadvantaged to such low ranking. They have high cognitive development then the nagger posters here.

      3. Jamie M

        Hey George!

        You must have missed it on the other thread. I was wondering if you could explain to all of us, your suggestion that we can repay our $35 billion unfunded liabilities, by paying $150 million a year for 30 years?

        Please George, tell us how we can repay a loan by paying back less than 10% of what we borrowed? Don’t keep your genius to yourself, share it with the world!

        1. george

          I made an error. The payment should have been $167 million per month. That would be $1200 per worker per year. After 30 years paid in full at this rate. $1200 per worker per year not enough to sink Connecticut.

          $35 billion
          4.0% interest
          30 year mortgage
          $167,095,353.41 per month payment
          1.6 million workers
          $100 per worker per month

          1. Jamie M

            George, many people who work in this state, don’t pay taxes. Also the Baby Boomers will be retiring, so there will be fewer workers. So the payment for the rest of us will be more. But you go ahead and tell everyone who works that you are going to nail them for another $100 a month, for the next 30 years, and you tell them it’s no hardship.

          2. george

            No, no, no. You are not talking hardship. You are talking disaster, bankruptcy, crisis, and catastrophe.

            You were saying the $35 billion debt was insurmountable. Now you say it’s simply a hardship?

            Every one of your “facts” I go and debunk. Last time it was state population you were wrong about.

            Listen, I don’t have the time to defuse all of your screaming idiot notions cribbed from a Rush Limbaugh broadcast.

          3. george

            Jamie, there are also CT residents who pay tax but work in other states. These were not included.

            I think I’ll look up how many boomers we have. Be very afraid, Jamie, another debunk coming your way…

          4. george

            Boomer retirement not a problem, Jamie. Plenty of young workers coming to cover those retiring:

            http://chart.googleapis.com/chart?cht=bvs&chd=t:885,882,942,990,829,816,820,729,839,864,789,609,478,291,180,313|10394,10206,8770,8194,9441,13364,13926,13620,11334,9646,7812,6170,4748,3170,2174,2596|25582,26646,29305,33241,29415,25745,24565,24830,27233,27592,24356,18350,14907,10785,7727,12017|96,98,119,116,162,118,122,104,139,109,99,52,36,24,14,20|17573,16502,16886,18397,19449,19952,19101,16817,15421,12767,9159,5866,4201,2597,1666,2112|14416,12353,11112,9478,7287,6119,5664,4973,4727,4334,3785,2676,2055,1286,932,1479|133160,155884,173131,180418,161315,148031,142034,161328,202344,235960,238325,206434,176870,131128,92970,233078&chco=400080,0000FF,00FF00,008000,FFFF00,FF8000,FF0000&chds=a&chxt=y,x&chxl=1:|00-04|05-09|10-14|15-19|20-24|25-29|30-34|35-39|40-44|45-49|50-54|55-59|60-64|65-69|70-74|75%20%20%2B&chbh=a,1,30&chs=600×280&chf=bg,s,00000000

          1. Jamie M

            All I see is a chart with no labels.

            George, why do you suppose our bond rating was downgraded?

            You keep your head in the sand, and keep believing that we’re not headed for serious trouble.

            George, the math speaks for itself. We owe $35 billion for those union benefits that we don’t have. I posted a link in the other thread, that debt works out to $11,000 per person in this state, $45,000 for a family of 5. You are suggesting that we pay that off for 30 years. According to your plan, that means that kids not even born yet, will be taxed when they start working, to pay for benefits to unionized workers who are dead and whom those kids never knew. Is it fair to ask kids who aren’t born yet, to pay for the bill for your benefits (I assume you are a unionozed worker on the dole)?

            Furthermore, that unfunded liability keeps increasing, because we aren’t saying “no” to those unions yet. So what will the tax need to be 30 years from now, if our liberal politicians keep giving the unions a blank check?

            We pay the highest taxes in the nation, and our liberals in Hartford still managed to overspend by $45,000 for every family of 4. That tells me the benefits are too rich. There is no other rational conclusion. Either our taxes are unreasonably low, or we spend too much.

            You don’t think that’s a burden. Moody’s thinks it’s reason to downgrade our bond rating. Either you are wrong, or they are wrong.

            Everyone who thinks George is right and Moody’s is wrong, raise your hands.

            $45,000 for a family of 4, George. And you say that’s not a meaningful burden.

            And how do we respond? By borrowing more. So in time, the burden will be more than $45,000 for every family of 4.

            Most families will not be able to give that much more to your liberal pals, and to the labor unions who bought and own the Democratic party in this state.

            Here’s how you run a government. You take a reasonable amount of money from yoru citizenry, and you use it to help as many people as possible. It’s not rocket science.

            I’d just love to know what you do for a living. Meaning, I wonder which labor union you are in…

    1. Jamie M

      he should be humiliated every day. First thing he does is implement a huge tax increase, and to make it worse, he makes it retroactive back to January 1. Why not make it retroactive back to 1985, and take all our money?

  6. Tao

    Here’s something interesting, on my way to work today i listened to 99.1 and they had the a$$wipe Malloy on, someone called asking about corporate taxes in CT, and you know what Malloy’s response was? “we have one of the lowest corporate taxes in the whole nation.” I’m not sure if he’s that stupid or if he just enjoys lying to everyone…

    1. OldGuy61

      Governor Malloy is neither stupid nor technically lying. He’s very careful to parse his words and semantics. When he says we have one of the lowest corporate taxes in the nation he could be correct. What is left unsaid is how many other “fees” are levied. He makes a big deal of “no new taxes” to balance the budget. Again, the key word is new. He has increased and/or extended many taxes and “fees”. We need to be asking how much more am I paying directly or indirectly to the State this year over last. I’m sure he doesn’t think the upcoming increase is gasoline taxes is a “new” tax nor one levied directly on the consumer. However, the oil companies are just going to pass the increase through. More money out of my pocket.

      Rep. Boehner also uses some of the same doublespeak when he says the US has the highest corporate taxes of any industrialised country. Again, possibly true, but how many US corporations pay at the highest rates? Very few.

      As far as the new gun rules reducing gun violence one only has to look at Chicago over the last week end. So how are those toughest in the nation gun laws working out?

      1. LiberalInTexas

        Actually, in reference specifically to Chicago this weekend: gun crime decreased 50% compared to the same weekend last year. Overall, the crime rate is down 14% – to the lowest rate since 1963.

        It’s a tragedy that there were 7 fatal shootings this weekend, but claiming that because of that something is systemically wrong with their gun laws doesn’t seem to hold up. Chicago, and many cities, have a long way to go to ensure people have a safe environment.

        http://www.cnn.com/2013/06/17/us/illinois-chicago-weekend-violence/index.html?hpt=us_c1

        1. ObserverCT

          This is in response to OldGuy6 and george. I did appreciate OldGuy6’s comments, I have a sense that he is right about Malloy being “neither stupid or technically lying”. I do think it is wise to carefully consider what comes out of the Governors office. george made a good point about what are fees, and though there doesn’t appear to be “fees” there is a case that businesses are more expensive to operate in CT, and it appears that Corporate Taxes may be lower in CT but not necessarily offset by other costs of doing business in CT. There is a article from jonathanpelto.com titled “Cost of ‘doing business’ in Connecticut is high; Business taxes are not” that seems to present a good explanation of what is happening in CT. I have not read him much before and don’t have a opinion on his writing but from this article it seems good.

  7. Sharpshooter

    Both Malloy and Perry referred to the handshake as just a bit of civility among fierce competitors

    Fierce competitor….Dan Malloy doesn’t know competition when it hits him in the face…who does he compete againt as governor of Connecticut…certaily not the General ASSembly which is of like party/mind…the only entity he competes against is the taxpayers and voters of the state…

  8. Why must CT hate cities?

    “I personally would rather not live in metro-area”

    Why don’t all of you gun owners go there to South Dakota?”

  9. bob

    Oh, come on! Does the Hartford Courant, or Mr. Haar accept any responsibility at all for the disgusting and vile comments left, in this instance, by Tao? Perhaps you approve of calling someone with whom you disagree a pedophile, as he does in his reply to Yogi Bear. He continues his disgusting ways by referring to the governor as “the a$$wipe Malloy.” neither of these comments should have been allowed to stay posted for a minute. The poster should be banned, and all comments should be hidden, or better yet, eliminated.

    1. walls

      Tao did not use certain words that should be censored. I support Tao’s use of strong language as his personal choice.

  10. Peter

    “When I asked about if those reforms — in some cases a loosening of regulations — also contribute to situations like the fertilizer plant explosion in West, Texas: “Until we get to the bottom of that investigation, I think it’s a bit premature.” —

    Well, Dan – Perry could well have asked if you think we’re under-regulated because of the Kleen Energy explosion that killed 5. What a stupid question, of course Texas is a better place for business than this corrupt banana republic in which we live.

    1. Jamie M

      Great point. Unfortunately, when Mr Haar studied yellow journalism at Wesleyan, his Bolshevik professors didn’t tell him that if you blame Republican governors for industrial accidents, then you need to explain why it’s not equally fair to blame liberal governors for accidents in their dtate.

      I notice multiple posters here have brought up the CT explosion, and I notice that Mr Haar has chosen not to comment. He’s probably posting on Huffington Post, asking for a snarky comeback to this obviously relevant and fair question.

    2. Yogi Bear

      No Peter, it is not a stupid question. Accidents can happen even when there are adiquit regulation. But in the absence of enough regulation, the environment becomes potentially more dangerous..

      It seems you like using the word “stupid.” Does your aggression cover for a lack of education?

  11. Jamie M

    Mr Haar points out that CT is great because we are so educated.

    How come, then, our state economy was ranked dead last in growth in 2012? How come our economy was the only state where GDP shrank in 2012? If we’re so brilliant, how did we manage to implement Gambino family tax rates, and still, som,ehow, overspend by the largest amount in th enation (per capita)?

    To have high tax rates is bad. To have lots of debt is bad. To have both at the same time, requires unimaginable incompetence.

    Our state was ranked dead last in economic growth in 2012. Instead of crashing lunches where he was uninvited, Gov Malloy should be working to fix that. Instead of taking cheap shots at Gov Perry, maybe Gov Malloy should be going to places where we might be able to convince bueineeses to leave for CT, like Cuba, Albania, and North Korea.

    The car is heading for the cliff, and every election, the CT voters choose to push further down on the accelerator.

    But fortunately, our poster George here, has the answer. He’s not worried about our $35 billion in unfunded liabilities to the unions. According to his math, all we need to do to pay that, is pay $150 million a year for 30 years. In liberal math, somehow that will repay $35 billion.

    (George, you may have meant $150 million a month. Which, for 30 years, is a lot of money for a state our size).

    When enough of our unionized Baby Boomers are retired and looking for those insanely fat pension checks, we will see who was right. As much as I dread that day, of course I know it’s coming, and I have to admit I can’t wait to see what the liberals have to say. Maybe they’ll blame Sarah Palin or the Koch brothers.

      1. Jamie M

        Oh, so that’s the answer? Keep quiet or move? And who appointed you the God of such things? Another alternative is to stay and engage in honest discourse, in th ehopes of effecting some positive change that help everybody (unless they are a union parasite who has no moral qualms with hurting their neighbors to fatten their own bottom line)

        1. Paul

          Please Jaime, don’t engage Yogi. He (or she) is unfortunately typical of many defenders of CT. They are unable to formulate a compelling argument to support their viewpoint and thus drop some dismissive tripe. This lazy intellect is also contributing to the down slide of CT. We need people who are able to objectively and analytically evaluate a situation but we lack a critical mass.

    1. Connecticut is Cirling the Drain

      Lets not forget about free medical for each retired state worker and spouse, all on our nickel. How affordable is that little gem ?

  12. Jamie M

    Dan Haar, you mention that CT has a higher high school graduation rate than Texas. I am sure you are correct. However, is that because CT and TX have a similar citizenry, but that CT does a better job of keeping kids in school? Or is it because TX, unlike CT, shares a rather large border with a country called Mexiaco, and perhaps that fact or geography, skews the numbers?

    As you probbaly know Dan, you cannot make a straight-up comparison of things like median income or graduation rates, when you are comparing 2 populations that are so sociologically different.

    I remember reading a stat back in the 1980’s that said that kids who majored in communications at Boston College had an average salary of $300,000. Dan Haar might lead you to believe that studying communictions was therefore more lucrative than studying engineering. But that number was meaningless, because one of those communications majors was Doug Flutie, who went to the NFL.

    Same principle applies here. TX has a staggering number of unskilled immigrants. Despite that, they are growing their economy, and they have managed to do that without taxing their citizens to death or maxing out their state credit card.

    Here is what Moodys said about our economy when they downgraded our bond rating recently, citing “a heavily loaded state credit card, huge debts in pension and retiree health care programs, and a depleted emergency reserve.”

    http://www.ctmirror.org/story/wall-street-credit-agency-downgrades-connecticuts-bond-rating

    1. Jamie M

      How does an educated state, with such high median incomes, get our bond rating downgraded?

      Kudos!

    2. Paul

      Believe me Jamie, I don’t defend Mr. Haar often but I will give him credit where credit is due. In many instances when Mr. Haar has analyzed aspects of CT’s economy he has differentiated between average and median income – and that is an important distinction in a state like CT. But I agree with you, the variables at play in TX versus CT do not allow for straightforward comparison. But Mr. Haar clearly will undertake a comparison (flawed and lazy as it may be) that paints CT in the best light.

  13. Jamie M

    Yes, we are educated and we have money. But our leaders (liberals mostly) have been awfully stupid with that money. Here is a list of the 25 most dangferous cities in America. Three of the cities are in CT, no one state had more cities on th elist.

    I guess it turns out that giving unionized public employees s fat pension, doesn’t exactly help anyone else who is not receiving that pension.

    http://au.businessinsider.com/why-connecticut-has-so-many-dangerous-cities-2013-6

  14. dom

    “When I asked about if those reforms — in some cases a loosening of regulations — also contribute to situations like the fertilizer plant explosion in West, Texas: “Until we get to the bottom of that investigation, I think it’s a bit premature.”

    good heavens, Dan you didn’t really ask him that question, did you? Its not like our regulations have resulted in a spotless history. And that question does nothing but play into the blue state press stereotype that apparently is warranted.

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