Mailbag 4/24: Will Transfers Hurt UConn’s Future APR?

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Question: Based on the fact that transfers count against a team’s APR score, how will all  these transfers affect their APR score in the future? Is there a possibility we could see UConn ineligible for the tournament again in a few years due to the number of transfers?

Sam

Plainville

A: Sam, it’s possible but not likely. As I have pointed out in each transfer story I have written, transfers count against the APR scores only if their grade-pointaverage is below 2.6 at the time of the transfer. Though UConn is not allowed to divulge grades, the word is that Alex Oriakhi, Michael Bradley and Roscoe Smith are all in good academic shape at this point.

 

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20 thoughts on “Mailbag 4/24: Will Transfers Hurt UConn’s Future APR?

  1. Aaron

    Dom, if a guy transfers with a GPA under 2.6, does it also affect the APR of the school he is transferring to? It should. I understand that college isn’t easy for most athletes during their seasons because they have demands on their time most students don’t. However, they are also given every chance to succeed with academic advisors, tutors, etc, etc. If they aren’t getting it done in the classroom, then they share the majority of the responsibility for their own performance, and that should follow them to their new school. UConn must improve (and apparently they have), but the players should not be left off the hook for their own poor performances, that should follow them to their next destination and the school accepting those transcripts should accept everything that comes along with it, APR hits and all.

    1. damore Post author

      what he does at the new school impacts the new school. The 2.6 figure, according to Walt Harrison (see my story of 4/7) is based on the fact that transfer student who are above 2.6 at the time of transfer graduate in significant numbers. Transfer students below 2.6 tend not to graduate from anywhere.

  2. paul

    If an athlete transfers and has a GPA under 2.6 it negatively affects the APR. What if an athlete transfers and its above the 2.6, does it help the APR? It should!

    1. teo

      Yes — of course it helps the APR. It’s a figure derived at by subtracting points for students who are not in good academic standing. So a student who leaves but is in good academic standing still helps the APR

      1. paul

        Not necessarily. When a kid jumps to the NBA they dont include that kid in graduation stats. They exlude him. It doesnt penalize nor does it help the school. Do they do something similar for transfers. Do you know how its calced?

        1. rev kevin loughran

          A transfer is like leaving for the NBA so long as the players was on track academically the school gets a point, if he’s not they don’t get the point and that’s what starts to subtract from the 1,000 points that would be a perfect score. Instead of thinking point think 100 points though and it’s possible to get bonus points – 2 points for some players because you get a point if they are on track and an added point if an NBA player who left returns and graduates in a certain amount of time.

          Now if its a leap year and you’ve had anyone graduate early in the last five years you get 50 additional points but and this is very important if you have two players graduate early and a head coach who’s perceived to be obnoxious and a pain the neck – you loose 100.

          (alright so this last paragraph is made up but the rest of it is how the system works – each player is worth a point, which is really 100 points to make it sound complicated, you loose the point if he falls behind pace or if he leaves when he’s behind pace and you get a bonus point if he returns to graduate.)

          1. paul

            that is not completely true. This is the calc per the NCAA website

            Teams that fail to achieve an APR score of 925 – equivalent to a 50% graduation rate – may be penalized. A perfect score is 1000. The scores are calculated as follows:

            Each student-athlete receiving athletically related financial aid earns one retention point for staying in school and one eligibility point for being academically eligible. A team’s total points are divided by the points possible and then multiplied by one thousand to equal the team’s Academic Progress Rate score. Example: A Division I Football Bowl Subdivision team awards the full complement of 85 grants-in-aid. If 80 student-athletes remain in school and academically eligible, three remain in school but are academically ineligible and two drop out academically ineligible, the team earns 163 of 170 possible points for that term. Divide 163 by 170 and multiply by 1,000 to determine that the team’s Academic Progress Rate for that term is 959.[8]

            The NCAA calculates the rate as a rolling, four-year figure that takes into account all the points student-athletes could earn for remaining in school and academically eligible during that period

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  3. rev kevin loughran

    The choice of 2.6 is a curious one. I well remember that there was a Yale GPA comparison between George Bush and John Kerry during that election. Both were at 2.5 and some hundreths of a point. So that would mean that had they been college basketball players and transfered they would have counted against the NCAA’s double secret probationary system. A future president and a senator who graduated from their schools with a regular diploma could have gotten their hoops team on probation. But another school could have no one graduate, everyone leave early for the NBA or via transfer, say after one year at the school and that would be okay. Does it make any sense?

    The NCAA makes no sense – that’s what’s frustrating. Equally frustrating is that UConn couldn’t figure out a way to play the NCAA’s game well enough to keep the team from experiencing these sanctions. Everyone wants to point a finger at the coach for that. How about the athletic director? Isn’t he the one primarily responsible for the atheltic programs at a school. But wait, he’s been hired by the Big East so that he could do a very important job for the NCAA – the group that’s supposed to be concerned about Academic progress.

    Now I understand.

    Is there a lawyer or lawmake out there somewhere who could get this to court so that a judge might force some sense out of all of this? Please……

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  4. paul

    So I actually finally took time to figure out how the dumb thing is calculated. Its basically a 2 part system. You get 1 point for staying in school and another point for remaining academically eligible. They do a calc based off of the number of kids on scholarship. There are a few fatal flaws. first, if you declare yourself eligible after the season you must stay in school until the end of the term and be in good academic standing. if you dont it hurts the school. So to say early entries to the NBA doesnt hurt is flawed because how many kids are going to stay in school when they have workouts and marketing to do? Some yes but that is because the school has set up special programs for them to finish. Pretty fishy. Secondly, take a kid like Dyson. I am not sure if Dyson graduated or not but for this example we will say no. He leaves after 4 years and is in the Dleague working his way up, playing well. Uconn gets punished because he left the school. If he was in good academic standing he would recieve 1 out of 2 points, if he wasnt it would be 0/2. Take a guy like thabeet. He leaves school and gets drafted but spends time in the DLeague. He receives 1/1 because he left school early and got drafted. Players in his position are only eligible for 1 point. the point being both are in the same place but one is hurts your APR. There wasnt any info on transfers other than the statement “if a athlete transfers and he is in good academic standing, he doesnt hurt the APR”. Not sure what that means so I cant say if it helps the APR. I am not sure how graduating fits it because they dont make it apart of the equation. They just say that a 925 is equivalent to a 50% graduation rate. I dont see how that is possible but hey its the NCAA…

    It goes on to say that it was developed as an EARLY indicator of graduation rates. If that is why it was developed why are we using it as a final number after these kids are gone? How about this for an indicator. It take X number of credits to graduate. Divide that number by 8 (2 semesters a year for 4 years). Take that number and multiple it by the number of semesters an athlete has been in school. If that number is more than the credit he has earned then he isnt on pace to graduate! Dont come up with some crazy “rate” and say that it translates into graduating.

    1. Teo

      You’ve identified the challenge exactly. There are many kids who leave early for the NBA. Take our friend AJ Price. He left early. Let’s assume that he left school before the end of the term (no idea if it’s true).

      Now, AJ had a scholarship. So, because of AJ, another kid didn’t get to use the financial support that kid may have needed to get through school. But there is AJ, using his scholarship for second semester and then jumping ship as soon as the tourney is over. The NCAA says, “schools, you must prevent this.” Is it realistic? I have no idea. It seems to be working everywhere else but at UConn. Is it necessary? Sadly, yes, because so many kids depart early. Otherwise the coaches and administrators would do what they used to do (“Our graduation rate is fine among kids who stay al four years and we have a lot who leave for the NBA”).

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  5. william

    To the Rev…Do you really think that King Kalhoun ever listened to what the AD suggested, offered, or demanded of the “student-athletes” as to their progress in the class room?…so, i guess, according to your opinion, Hathaway is to blame for all of this and the King is free from fault…long live the King as he will for the next two years of his contract…and why?…because he is the King of Storrs and is not going anywhere…

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